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Catalina 22 vs Starwind 223 vs Laguna Windrose 22

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• Start date Sep 14, 2015
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Have gotten approval to upgrade from a 18' Buccaneer to a 22' boat on my mooring in Plymouth MA. Looking at Catalina 22, Starwind 223 and Laguna Windrose 22. I currently pull my Buccaneer 180 with a Subaru Outback. I'm looking for comments, recommendations, cautions and biased opinions of all kinds. Thanks.  

A great and balanced boat is a Sirius 21/22  

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Looking at the specs on all three boats the Windrose is larger for overnighting, Having owned a Catalina 22 for all most 25 years I will tell you that the years from 86 to 92 is what is called the “new model, it is well thought out for overnighting and is overall heavier than the other two and will take the waves and wind, the earlier years are faster because of the weight being 900 lbs lighter. Of all three boats the Catalina is still made and all of the replacement parts are still supported. A 22 foot boat, make sure a good trailer comes with the boat. Then it comes down to the nicest boat with the most stuff.  

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Take a look at the Compac 23. They are built by the Hutchinson Company and they have been built almost the same for 30 years. They have a fixed shoal draft but you can still get them on the trailer. This means you don't have to worry about moving parts under the water as well. The layout is great. The V berth is a good size for a 23. It has good accommodations for a boat this size.  

A Subaru Outback was mentioned. All of the boats mentioned are going to be WAY heavier on the trailer than what you have been towing - maybe a factor of 3X. My .02.. if you look at those larger boats, you will also have to look at a larger tow vehicle.  

walt said: A Subaru Outback was mentioned. All of the boats mentioned are going to be WAY heavier on the trailer than what you have been towing - maybe a factor of 3X. My .02.. if you look at those larger boats, you will also have to look at a larger tow vehicle. Click to expand

The compac 23 is a similar boat to the Starwind 223 but with cheaper cabin trim and finishes. The 223 has an interior carpeted hull and extensive wood trim with a galley and hanging locker. We have a 1985 Starwind 223 which is our trips boat. We Have done the Florida Keys, Florida's West Coast, Long Island Sound, Cheaspeake Bay, Potomac River, The Outerbanks and some inland lakes. We trailer the boat to distant sailing venues usually for a two weeks trip in the area. The boat is a Jim tailor design with a short fixed, ballasted keel and a center board. We have done two couple trips with very, very good friends and we have been comfortable. We have sailed into Mystic Connecticut under conditions that had 32' boats pinned down for weather. We were pinned down ourselves in Okracoke and in Tangier Island, which we made just ahead of small craft warnings posting. After crossing Plum Gut in the Long Island Sound we developed a lot of confidence for this little boat and she has not let us down yet. We power it with a two stroke Nissan 9.8HP. The boat is heavy for its class and the whole load trailers at around 3800 lbs. which might be over the maximum for your Outback. Since we trailer long distances we use a Navigator as a tow vehicle but if you only intend to do short distances at slow speeds you might be able to do it with the Outback. With the short fixed keel of 1.2' it does require a slightly steep ramp to launch and retrieve. Allow for an increased trailering load as you pull the boat up the inclined plane. Our trailer does have a tongue extension which we have used just a couple of times. Just power slowly out of the ramp as to not hurt the tow vehicle. Sailed a Catalina 22' once and I thought it was a good trailerable boat but felt a lot lighter than the S223. No experience with the Laguna.  

Benny17441 said: The compac 23 is a similar boat to the Starwind 223 but with cheaper cabin trim and finishes. The 223 has an interior carpeted hull and extensive wood trim with a galley and hanging locker. We have a 1985 Starwind 223 which is our trips boat. We Have done the Florida Keys, Florida's West Coast, Long Island Sound, Cheaspeake Bay, Potomac River, The Outerbanks and some inland lakes. We trailer the boat to distant sailing venues usually for a two weeks trip in the area. The boat is a Jim tailor design with a short fixed, ballasted keel and a center board. We have done two couple trips with very, very good friends and we have been comfortable. We have sailed into Mystic Connecticut under conditions that had 32' boats pinned down for weather. We were pinned down ourselves in Okracoke and in Tangier Island, which we made just ahead of small craft warnings posting. After crossing Plum Gut in the Long Island Sound we developed a lot of confidence for this little boat and she has not let us down yet. We power it with a two stroke Nissan 9.8HP. The boat is heavy for its class and the whole load trailers at around 3800 lbs. which might be over the maximum for your Outback. Since we trailer long distances we use a Navigator as a tow vehicle but if you only intend to do short distances at slow speeds you might be able to do it with the Outback. With the short fixed keel of 1.2' it does require a slightly steep ramp to launch and retrieve. Allow for an increased trailering load as you pull the boat up the inclined plane. Our trailer does have a tongue extension which we have used just a couple of times. Just power slowly out of the ramp as to not hurt the tow vehicle. Sailed a Catalina 22' once and I thought it was a good trailerable boat but felt a lot lighter than the S223. No experience with the Laguna. Click to expand

I'm new to the list, but wanted to add another boat to consideration. I bought a Rhodes 22 this summer, upgrading from the 'other' Buccaneer 18 (a fast dingy formerly made by Chrysler). My dock neighbor has an older Compac 23 which he also uses to cruise Lake Erie (haven't met him yet, scuttlebutt is he does a couple 3-4 day trips a year). My criteria was convenient reservoir day sailing and a couples weekender that could be trailered to the great lakes. Large cockpit for the reservoir, easy fore deck access, single handling friendly, able to handle shallow water and a real head were on my list. In mast furling has proven wonderful for short sails. I lack time to both sail and repair, so I chose a factory rebuild. After half a season, I have no regrets. I will upgrade to a bigger tow vehicle, your Subaru would be too small as well.  

We looked at a Starwind 223 back in 1985 and I thought the build quality was very good but did not care for the interior layout and lack of a true poptop for headroom. We bought a Siruis 22 instead. We spend 2-3 weeks at a time cruising our boat on the Great Lakes and we love the interior layout and poptop cabin. As for the Catalina there are a few versions of this boat so not sure what one you are looking at. Tell us what your intentions are. Are you using it for daysailing and weekending or do you plan longer trips? Interior layout may not be that important if you spend limited time overnight. How often will you trailer the boat? If you keep it on a mooring and only trailer it twice a year and the beginning and end of the season you can always borrow or rent a tow vehicle. Why saddle yourself with a larger vehicle if it is not really needed? IMO if you are towing longer distances (100's of miles) you need a vehicle rated for 5000 lbs to comfortable tow these boats that come in at 3400-3800 lbs including the trailer.  

Jackdaw said: All true and good info except for the designer. Cortland Streck Click to expand

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As I use to tell my customers, there are many boats out there but look at the ones that will meet your needs and then if you like a boat very much, then buy it as most often you will tend to keep that boat for a long time. It is good many are giving you their opinions. If you intend to pull or trailer all the time, that will make a difference on your selection. For example a wing keel is harder to launch and thus you will need to know your ramps. IF you decide on a Catalina 22 swing keel, purchase the Catalina 22 Sport trailer as it was designed by Ron Frisosky with me there as to a nearly perfect trailer for that but do get it with brakes.  

Al Cole said: I'm new to the list, but wanted to add another boat to consideration. I bought a Rhodes 22 this summer, upgrading from the 'other' Buccaneer 18 (a fast dingy formerly made by Chrysler). My dock neighbor has an older Compac 23 which he also uses to cruise Lake Erie (haven't met him yet, scuttlebutt is he does a couple 3-4 day trips a year). My criteria was convenient reservoir day sailing and a couples weekender that could be trailered to the great lakes. Large cockpit for the reservoir, easy fore deck access, single handling friendly, able to handle shallow water and a real head were on my list. In mast furling has proven wonderful for short sails. I lack time to both sail and repair, so I chose a factory rebuild. After half a season, I have no regrets. I will upgrade to a bigger tow vehicle, your Subaru would be too small as well. Click to expand

Got a close up look at a Starwind 223 and am smitten! Seems to be a much better use of space and storage than the Catalina 22 to this novice sailor. Anything I should look at critically before taking a leap?  

A funny thing, but one thing that I don't like about smaller boats is that the V-berth comes to a sharp point. It can be uncomfortable, especially if you are sharing it. Having a wide foot at the V-berth is nice. The Compac 23 has a very nice v-berth for a 23 foot boat. I have cruised mine for as many as 8 days and it is okay for that. In all seriousness, if you can swing it, get a bigger boat. Take a look at the Hunter 260 or the Catalina 250. They were water ballast boats and where they have their issues, they are light to tow, easier to launch, and they have nice cabins.  

mrudman850 said: Got a close up look at a Starwind 223 and am smitten! Seems to be a much better use of space and storage than the Catalina 22 to this novice sailor. Click to expand

If you want to go light weight and fast, find an RL 24. The boat weighs 1600 lbs. Weighed in on the trailer with all my junk at 2700 lbs. One thing about the RL is that with a swing keel, the boat sits very low on the trailer. This means less wind resistance. The weight is low, so it handles very well on the road. Ironically, except for on a steep hill, this boat tows much easier than my previous 17 foot American Fiberglass, which only weighed 900 lbs. The AF 17 had the weighted keel below the boat, which meant on the trailer, it stuck up in the wind, which made it pull very hard. Besides, if you are towing with an Outback, shouldn't you be sailing Australia's favorite trailer sailor.  

mrudman850 said: Got a close up look at a Starwind 223 and am smitten! Seems to be a much better use of space and storage than the Catalina 22 to this novice sailor. Anything I should look at critically before taking a leap? Click to expand

Bad Obsession said: ....In all seriousness, if you can swing it, get a bigger boat. Take a look at the Hunter 260 or the Catalina 250. They were water ballast boats and where they have their issues, they are light to tow, easier to launch, and they have nice cabins. Click to expand

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Laguna 22 is a 21 ′ 7 ″ / 6.6 m monohull sailboat designed by W. Shad Turner and built by Laguna Yachts between 1983 and 1987.

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Catalina 22

For those to whom price is all-important,--the catalina 22 is appealing but it's lacking in performance..

In its 10th anniversary issue in 1980, Sail magazine named the Catalina 22 the boat that had represented the breakthrough in trailer/cruisers in those 10 years. There is no denying the popularity of the Catalina 22: more than 10,000 of the model we review here have been built, and that doesn’t include the Sport models now being sold. For many buyers, the Catalina 22 is their first “big” boat and an introduction to the Catalina line. Many remain with Catalina and buy up within that line.

Catalina is the largest sailboat in the US in dollar volume, and the firm is one of the lasting success stories in the industry. It foregoes national advertising in favor of local dealer-sponsored ads, and has remained a privately owned company while the trend has been toward conglomerate-owned boatbuilding.

Like all manufacturing boatbuilders today Catalina builds boats to a price, making the most of volume buying of materials and hardware, long-lived models, a high degree of standardization, and all the cost savings of high volume production. The Catalina 22 was the first boat built by Catalina.

The Catalina 22 that we are reviewing here was in production from 1969 until 1995, when the Catalina 22 MkII was introduced. During this more than quarter-century of production, several incremental changes were made, with several significant upgrades in 1986, when a wing keel version was introduced.

The boat has been replaced by the Catalina 22 Sport. Introduced in 2004, the Catalina 22 Sport is still in production and it closely adheres to the original boat’s dimensions, and weight.  Although the post-’95 boats have resolved many of the problems we find here in the original, they did so at the expense of a feature that racers admired—a lighter weight hull. So, although it might not have all the improvements of later models, the one we look at here will hold a certain appeal to sailors in areas that are home to active C22’s fleets, as well as to sailors looking to start sailing for under $5K, and aren’t afraid to put a little sweat equity into the boat.

Just as it was when the boat was first introduced, the Catalina 22 is a common landing spot for those who are just beginning to dream of an escape. It is to Catalina’s credit that the 22 continues to sell and continues to be many sailors’ first boat. And perhaps one of the biggest selling points of all, is the broad and consistent support in the form of other owners. There really isn’t anything that can’t be fixed on these boats, and dialed in, they can be fun to sail. One need only drop in on the website for Chip Ford to get an idea of what’s possible with this boat.

Construction

It’s hard to argue with the construction of a boat after 10,000 have been built, but we do. In these early boats the hull-to-deck joint— a plywood reinforced hull flange is joined to the deck with a rigid polyester “slurry” and self-tapping fasteners. This not our idea of ideal construction. The same type of joint is used on larger boats, although we are less concerned because obviously the structure is for a much smaller boat. Larger boats like the Catalina 30 also used this method, and the C30 has enough loyal followers to earn it a spot among our recommended 30-footers from the 1970s.

Catalina 22 has remained essentially unchanged from the day it was introduced in 1969. Only the pivot for the swing keel version was changed about boat #250 and then, according to a Catalina statement, it was done for production purposes. Later a pop-top option was added and now 90% of the boats sold have this feature.

Catalina takes credit for pioneering the one-piece hull liner that has become standard in most high volume small boats. However, it should be noted that the liner is basically a cosmetic component, not a structural member, and the hull must get its strength from the hull laminate and bulkhead reinforcement.

The swing keel, also chosen by 90% of the buyers, is cast iron and, when retracted, remains substantially exposed (accounting for more than half of the 2′ draft of the shoal draft model). It is a rough 550 lb. iron casting of indifferent hydrodynamic efficiency, but you can order templates for fairing quite easily.

The swing keel is hoisted with a simple reel winch located under a vestigial bridgedeck with its handle passing through a plywood facing. We’d guess that Catalina owners soon become conditioned to its presence, though it can trip those stepping up or down through the companionway.

The drop keel of the Catalina evoked a number of observations from owners in the PS boat owners’ questionnaire. Several note that the keel hangar mounting bolts loosen or seize.  Another reports he had to replace his wire pennant twice. Replacing the pennant requires hoisting the boat high enough to have access to the top of the keel.

As with all Catalina-built boats, decor is a major selling point. The line, including the 22, is attractively appointed. They create a highly favorable impression which has to encourage sales, especially for first time boat buyers.

In fact, the Catalina 22 outside and inside is one of the most visually appealing small boats we have seen. It has enough trim and finish to look pretty. Similarly, her hull and rig, although dated, are well proportioned. It is about her performance and livability that we have the most serious qualms.

Performance

By any objective standard the Catalina 22 is hardly a sprightly performing small boat. There have been too many compromises to performance: trailerability, shoal draft, cockpit space, low cost, and interior accommodations, as well as giving her a placid disposition for novice sailors. The boat needs a genoa jib, a smoother, and more efficient swing or fin keel shape and some hardware of even the most modest go-fast variety. Even then the prognosis is that she will remain a rather tubby boat in an age when much of the fun of boats is in their responsiveness, if not speed.

With almost all the Catalinas having been built with the swing keel, the appeal has been her shallow draft for trailering. Yet even with 2′ of draft with the keel hoisted, the boat has too much draft for beaching. Given the tradeoff in performance, the difficulty of maintenance, and loss of stability, one hopes that indeed buyers of the swing keel 22 have made good use of it for trailering.

The deck of the Catalina 22 is a decidedly unhandy working platform. The sidedecks are narrow and obstructed by jib sheets and blocks. The three shrouds per side effectively block access to the foredeck, and complicate headsail trim and passage of the jib across in tacking. In fact, so difficult is it to go forward on the 22 we recommend getting rid of the lifelines. They are already too low to offer anything but token protection and they anchor near the base of the bow pulpit where they give no protection. Instead, handrails should be installed on the cabin top.

Ironically for a boat as popular as the Catalina, the boat incorporates the most incredible amount of wasted space we have ever seen in a sailboat large or small. In a size where stowage is at such a premium, there is a cavernous unusable space. The entire area under the cockpit and most of the area under the port cockpit seat (except where the gas tank sits) is all but inaccessible. The loss of this space limits stowage to scuttles under the berth bases.

The convertible dinette which seats only two with elbow room is a vestige of the 22’s design era and the vee berths forward form that combination of bathroom and bedroom that is common on a daysailer of these dimensions. The alternatives, here, have their shortcomings.

The easy solution is to relocate the head to the cockpit when you finally decided to retire for the night.  Otherwise, the settee on the starboard side, and even that berth is shared with the optional galley facility that in use takes up about half the berth area. The Catalina 22s now have a pop-top as standard; most of the cabin top lifts 10″ on four pipe supports. Most owners we have heard from seem to like the system, particularly those in warmer areas. Headroom at anchor is pleasant but we’d rather see room for stowage, sleeping, etc. as well.

One safety point in these older models that is worth raising is the stowage setup for the portable gas tank for a transom-mounted outboard auxiliary. The tank sits on a molded shelf (part of the hull liner) in a seat locker at the after end of the cockpit. This puts a portable gasoline tank inside the cabin.The locker is vented but it is not isolated. This arrangement can allow fuel can to make its way unimpeded to the inaccessible low point right under the cockpit. This design flaw has been corrected in later versions and if you have a boat with this arrangement, we recommend securing all portable tanks above deck until it is fixed.

One of the Catalina’s better features is her cockpit. It is long (7′) and comfortable, a place where the crew can sit with support for their backs, a place to brace their feet, and with room to avoid the tiller. It is unobstructed by the mainsheet that trims to a rod traveler on the stern.

Conclusions

Many boat buyers shop for a boat of this type with price foremost in mind. They probably will get no farther than their local Catalina dealer, where they can get a boat that is the same size and similarly equipped as boats costing far more. It’s apt to be a boat identical to many of those sailing on the same waters. Better still, they are more than likely to have sailing friends who not only have (or had) a Catalina but belong to one of the most widespread and active owners’ class associations in the sport. The whole package has a powerful appeal, especially to a newcomer seeking moral support.

For performance, accommodations and even construction they might do better at a higher price, but with Catalina’s proven staying power through decades of change, they understandably turn to the 22.

At a weight of about 2,500 lbs. loaded for the road plus a trailer, the Catalina 22 can be hauled by most cars. If anything but a jaunt to the boat ramp is envisioned, however, it’s big enough to recommend SUV with a trailer package.

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11 comments.

Still a useful review! FWIW, I was shopping for a Catalina 22 Sport at the Annapolis Boat Show last fall and Catalina was saying that they were close to $50,000 with common options and the wait time for a new one was 6 months. I realize that this is a small boat in the range of what is on the market at that boat show, but my goodness, were those sales people blasé about selling a boat to me. Ended up with a 5 yo boat for about half that much money. Unfortunately, she is still on the hard until spring in the Chesapeake!

Nice review of the Catalina 22. Out first boat was a Capri 22, which I was told was the “hot” version of the Catalina 22. It has a deep draft keel (6-7’?) and out-pointed every other boat on the lake. We slept aboard once….no fun!

This is a totally misleading article, focused entirely on exaggerated flaws. This article should really be written by someone who has actually owned a C22, and spent more than a cursory time sailing one. IMO, they’re great boats, and a ton of fun can be had with one – but only if the self-gratifying snobbism is left at the dock. The boat is squarely in the sweet spot of carrying costs and sailing fun.

These are great boats for beginners and sailors that want an uncomplicated boat to day sail and overnight on. I have taught ASA beginner classes on the C22. Also one of the popularities of this boat that was not touched on in this article is it’s one design racing class. Large fleets continue to turn out for weekend and national regattas.

No mention is made of stepping the mast. At 77 years of age and somewhat physically fit can I handle it?

Thanks, Bill Tucker

If the C22 is without a roller furler on the jib – stepping the mast is pretty light work. Check YouTube for videos on mast stepping a C22 – there are many good tricks and techniques to be learned. It can be stepped very easily by 2 people, or even just 1 person with a small bit of experience. On boats with a roller furler, stepping the mast is still not hard, but the roller furler acts like a 100 lb wet noodle, so it adds a bit of planning. I have a roller furler – but still, with the proper tricks, it can be done alone. Don’t be discouraged by this article – and I should add, almost all of the criticisms made only apply to the very early models, and the C22 additionally underwent a substantial redesign in 1986. Personally, between the 2, I favor the post 1986 boats, known as the “New design.”

IMO, it’s the best bang for the buck in sailing. It’s no small pleasure to know that as you enjoy the same wind, water and sun as the larger boats, you’re spending thousands less a season than literally everyone else. I could afford a larger boat, but for me – the smaller the boat, the bigger the experience one gets out of it. I’m in it for the love of being on the water. If you’re interested – check out the C22. https://forums.sailboatowners.com/forums/catalina-22.59/

i have a 2005 Sport I’ve owned since new. I’m old and gray, but yes, it’s doable to raise and lower the mast (I have hank on sails). I had a fella build me an folding A-frame that helps. I use the vang and jib halyard, attached at the top of the A-frame, to “lever” the mast up and down under control. I can also use the A-frame with my trailer winch and the halyard.

I love my Sport. Racing is getting behind me, so I’ve “comforted” it up a bit. I have a bimini (installed backwards so it folds forward out of the way for docking and getting underway). I added a “downhaul” retriever line up by the headstay. I attach the line to my genoa/jib so when it’s time to douse, I just “haul the sail down”. That holds it to deck, with the sheets pulled back safely, so that I don’t have to go forward. Winches were moved to the cabin top (helps with halyards, led aft), with ratchet turning blocks at the old winch locations. I can usually hand trim using the ratchet action. Only heavier winds require the winches. Backstay is partial spectra line for adjustment, and the traveler has controls in the cockpit.

I can single hand it all day.

I think the review was pretty harsh. These boats hold up well and sail to their rating. And the OD Class is awesome.

With a chain and a pulley using the main halyard, yes.

Fun to read this review. My parents got one in the mid-’70s and I “inherited” her. My wife and I spent our honeymoon cruise on her, later we packed our 3 kids and a dog in there for a 5-day cruise, and then I fixed her up again for a 25th anniversary honeymoon-reprise cruise. Not a fast boat, but to learn to sail and cruise? Perfect. And growing up cruising in such tight accommodations made the trimaran I have now gravitated towards (a reaction to sailing slowly?) quite tolerable. A perfect starter-boat. Mast-raising is easy if done carefully and slowly with appropriate gin-pole and some “baby-stay” guy wires: the trick is to get the baby-stays to rotate around the same point as the mast-base so they are tight all the way up. Or to have some help keeping the mast straight during raising.

The review does focus on many negatives, but missed the wicked weather-helm under some conditions. It took me years to realize I could simply move the center-of-effort aft by raising the swing-keel some, which helped immensely, despite seeming counter-intuitive (raise the keel to help upwind performance in high-wind conditions? Huh?). Don’t be scared off, but do inspect, for eg, the plywood cores for saturation and rot on older boats, and for signs of separation of the deck from the hull at the bow: I installed a turnbuckle from foredeck to the bow-ring to take the forestay tension when I fixed ours up. Cheers all.

That’s a great tip about the swing keel – makes perfect sense. A minor adjustment can make a difference in that regard.

Way back in about 1978 or so I made a new friend, Tony, that had purchased a Catalina 22 and was docked a few slips away from my dock, at the time, on lake Ontario at Wilson Boatyard in Wilson, NY, I was living on my new Challenger Ketch. Early one nite I noticed Tony on his Catalina 22. Tony was about 60 years old and knew almost nothing about sailing. We talked and he asked me to teach him how to sail his new 22″. We practiced sailing almost every nite with the evening offshore wind. He eventually got up enough confidence and courage to sail across Lake Ontario to Toronto Harbor on the North shore of the Lake where he and his 3 lady guest stayed on the boat and in a motel for a few days. Tony loved his Cataliona 22′.

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The Balboa 22 was built by Laguna Yachts, the same company that built the Windrose 22 (page 213), also designed by Shad Turner. If you look closely you will see that both hulls have identical dimensions, though the decks are somewhat different. Both hulls came in two choices of underbody: a swing-keel version (min and max drafts shown above) and a fixed fin-keel version with a draft of 2' 11". Ballast for the swing version is 600 pounds, for the fixed version is 900 pounds. Corresponding displacements are 1,980 (swing) and 2,280 (fixed). The Balboa 22 was only produced for three years, while the Windrose 22, with different deck mold, continued until the company ended production of all boats about 1987. Best features: Poptop gives six-foot headroom when erected. Worst features: Construction is below average—definitely not "yacht quality."

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We are hoping that the administration can rectify this issue soon, but unfortunately at this time we can make no promises as to when... we have been working on letting the higher powers that be 'know of the situation... hang in there iboaters, we've been through a lot over the years and this is just another rough weather system rolling through to endure is all. Thank you. General Boating/Outdoors Activities Windrose...a Boat by any other name would be......easy. Thread starter Satisfactory Sailor Start date May 2, 2012 Satisfactory Sailor May 2, 2012 Re: Windrose...a Boat by any other name would be......easy. Is the manufacturer Windrose, or is that the model? There was a Laguna brand of boats (now out of business I think) that made Windrose models.   May 7, 2012 southkogs said: Is the manufacturer Windrose, or is that the model? There was a Laguna brand of boats (now out of business I think) that made Windrose models. Click to expand... freddyray21 Jun 10, 2012 Re: Windrose...a Boat by any other name would be......easy. http://www.rvharvey.com/laguna.htm http://www.svtenacious.com/windrose20specandreview.pdf   Jun 18, 2012 Re: Windrose...a Boat by any other name would be......easy. You may find some useful data here: http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=84 http://www.nadaguides.com/boats/1978/laguna-yachts-inc/windrose-24/10100533 Hope these sites can help.   Oct 18, 2012 Satisfactory Sailor said: I purchased a Windrose 24' sailboat from someone on Craigslist. Unfortunately, it was missing quite a few parts such as a rudder, cushions, etc... I have had a horrible time finding any information about the Windrose boats. Has anyone out there made it their lifes work to collect Windrose information? Mike Click to expand... Attachments Oct 19, 2012 Suki said: Hi Mike: I grew up in your neighborhood, went to Groves high school and my mom sold Laguna Yachts, and I actually have the brochures from when she sold them and scanned them so here is some of the information. I have the 18 foot Windrose....it was my dad's and he left it to me. Click to expand... Mar 11, 2013 Forum Listing Marketplace Advanced Search About The Boat Boat Review Forum SailNet is a forum community dedicated to Sailing enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about sailing, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, repairs, reviews, maintenance, and more! Considering buying a boat. 1980 25'Laguna Windrose but have a question/concern Add to quote The following is the information I have on the boat. I would be getting this very cheap and do not mind learning to do some repairs and maintenance. I also have to learn to sail and thought this would be a good start. My main concern is the Keel. The boat would stay in the water all the time so trailering it is no issue, but what do I need to look for when I go view the boat to ensure the keel is in the down position and not coming up from a gust of wind? My first project would be to repair this, and if its all rusted and was frozen I know it can be very time consuming from the information I have found. I guess my main concern is if it is safe like this? I figure a boat with a little scuff and bruises for a learner is probably not such a bad thing as long as its safe and sound. 1980 25' Laguna Windrose is a great day sailing boat for cruising with friends. It has a full sail and jib (both with a few sailtape repairs, but great condition overall), with a large deck. It also has a cabin that sleeps four with table, sinks and stove. Comes with a VERY well-running 6hp outboard Nissan motor The boat has a swing keel and the cable is broken so the keel is in the down position and can't be raised for trailering without repair. Does not effect normal sailing at all! The boat has a full fiberglass hull.   The keel is a pain in the butt to deal with, but you can probably fix it. You will have to run a new cable while the boat is in the water and then dive down and attach it. It's not too difficult, but if you can't do it yourself, it will cost a fair amount of money. As far as safety goes...there should be some kind of locking mechanism to keep it down, so find it and see if it works. If the lock is there and operating, then it's not likely to come up while you are sailing. I would be more concerned about the sails. Tape is not likely to hold for more than a few hours - days if you are very lucky. Sounds like you will need new sails. Unless you are getting this boat for next to nothing (under 1000 dollars) then you are paying too much. Personally, I would keep looking for something a little smaller and in better condition. There are too many boats out there in good condition to settle for something that is going to be a headache. The sails alone are going to cost you between 2 and 3 thousand dollars to replace, and it is a big crapshoot to buy a boat without looking at the hull when it is out of the water. When you get up to 25 feet in length there are usually fittings that go through the hull somewhere, and you need to see them from the outside as well as the inside to assess their condition. There can also be problems with the fibreglass. At the very least, if you don't haul it out, make sure that you sit on the boat in the water for a couple of hours asking the owner questions, doing anything to pass time. You want to determine if there are any leaks, so check the bilges as soon as you get there - mark where the water is - and then check again in a couple of hours. Good Luck !   What sailormann said is all good, but you might also consider that this boat was designed as a trailer sailor, which is great if that's how you use it. But if you're not going to trailer it, than you're sacrificing a lot, including; hull shape and design, (they're shaped more like a speedboat than a sailboat) light weight construction, swing keel vs fixed keel, sparse interior etc. If you don't need a trailer sailor, then look for a better boat.   Thank you for the info. I have never owned a boat so not really sure what to look for when buying one and this advice helps. The boat is 600.00 which I know is very cheap so I know it must have more wrong with it than what is said so far. I eventually want to work my way up to a 36 or so but want to start somewhat small to learn. I would be sailing San Francisco Bay area so do not want to go to small. Thank you again for the great advice. I had no idea sails would be so much. I think I might be better off spending 3-4k and getting one ready to sail.   If you go for it Working on an old boat can be fun, and you learn a lot. Not sure if you will find a lock for the swing keel, it may be designed to "kick up" if you hit something. Check the boat out, agree with sitting in the boat for a few hours while on water, then check for any water in the boat. Take a mask along and check out anything you can dive to and see. Check the rudder connections, we just had a guy loose his rudder on his 1st sail on his new bargain boat. As for the sails, can be big $$$'s to replace, but there is always the option of buying used sails, still $$, but save a lot over new ones. Good luck   Just starting out, on SF bay, you need to look for a good seaworthy boat that is well rigged and reasonably equipped. Size would be almost a secondary consideration. Learning in demanding high wind range conditions is actually OK - you learn quickly what works and what doesn't. The last thing you need, though, is to be worried that some part of the boat will not hold up. You'll be busy enough deciding if you and your crew are up to the task. I'd also suggest you do not want anything that is not self righting or self bailing - which doesn't necessarily rule out some trailerables, but a good fixed keel boat may be a better long term bet.   Thank you for all of the great advice. I am teetering on taking courses or grabbing a friend that sails a little and reading/watching DVDs on the How to's. I guess first thing is to find the boat that I want. I do want a good boat and while I do not mind working on it because as you said it will teach me a lot about the boat, I think maybe I should hold out and look for more of a turnkey boat instead of the bargain boat. The bargain boat I may decide to snatch up when i see them later just for the fin of refurbishing and selling them afterwards. I would love to learn to work on them top to bottom.   ?             176K members Top Contributors this Month Review of Windrose 22 Basic specs.. The hull is made of fibreglass. Generally, a hull made of fibreglass requires only a minimum of maintenance during the sailing season. And outside the sailing season, just bottom cleaning and perhaps anti-fouling painting once a year - a few hours of work, that's all. The boat equipped with a fractional rig. A fractional rig has smaller headsails which make tacking easier, which is an advantage for cruisers and racers, of course. The downside is that having the wind from behind often requires a genaker or a spinnaker for optimal speed. The Windrose 22 is equipped with a swing keel. A swing keel is a pivoting lifting keel, allowing to sail both coastal and inland waters. The boat can enter even shallow marinas as the draft is just about 0.43 - 0.53 meter (1.41 - 1.71 ft) dependent on the load. See immersion rate below. Sailing characteristics This section covers widely used rules of thumb to describe the sailing characteristics. Please note that even though the calculations are correct, the interpretation of the results might not be valid for extreme boats. What is Capsize Screening Formula (CSF)? The capsize screening value for Windrose 22 is 2.43, indicating that this boat would not be accepted to participate in ocean races. What is Theoretical Maximum Hull Speed? The theoretical maximal speed of a displacement boat of this length is 5.8 knots. The term "Theoretical Maximum Hull Speed" is widely used even though a boat can sail faster. The term shall be interpreted as above the theoretical speed a great additional power is necessary for a small gain in speed. The immersion rate is defined as the weight required to sink the boat a certain level. The immersion rate for Windrose 22 is about 94 kg/cm, alternatively 530 lbs/inch. Meaning: if you load 94 kg cargo on the boat then it will sink 1 cm. Alternatively, if you load 530 lbs cargo on the boat it will sink 1 inch. Sailing statistics This section is statistical comparison with similar boats of the same category. The basis of the following statistical computations is our unique database with more than 26,000 different boat types and 350,000 data points. What is Motion Comfort Ratio (MCR)? What is L/B (Length Beam Ratio)? What is a Ballast Ratio? What is Displacement Length Ratio? What is SA/D (Sail Area Displacement ratio)? Maintenance When buying anti-fouling bottom paint, it's nice to know how much to buy. The surface of the wet bottom is about 18m 2 (193 ft 2 ). Based on this, your favourite maritime shop can tell you the quantity you need. Are your sails worn out? You might find your next sail here: Sails for Sale If you need to renew parts of your running rig and is not quite sure of the dimensions, you may find the estimates computed below useful. Usage Length Diameter Mainsail halyard 18.8 m (61.8 feet) 8 mm (5/16 inch) Jib/genoa halyard 18.8 m (61.8 feet) 8 mm (5/16 inch) Spinnaker halyard 18.8 m (61.8 feet) 8 mm (5/16 inch) Jib sheet 6.6 m (21.6 feet) 10 mm (3/8 inch) Genoa sheet 6.6 m (21.6 feet) 10 mm (3/8 inch) Mainsheet 16.4 m (54.0 feet) 10 mm (3/8 inch) Spinnaker sheet 14.5 m (47.5 feet) 10 mm (3/8 inch) Cunningham 2.7 m (8.8 feet) 8 mm (5/16 inch) Kickingstrap 5.3 m (17.5 feet) 8 mm (5/16 inch) Clew-outhaul 5.3 m (17.5 feet) 8 mm (5/16 inch) This section is reserved boat owner's modifications, improvements, etc. Here you might find (or contribute with) inspiration for your boat. Do you have changes/improvements you would like to share? Upload a photo and describe what you have done. We are always looking for new photos. If you can contribute with photos for Windrose 22 it would be a great help. If you have any comments to the review, improvement suggestions, or the like, feel free to contact us . Criticism helps us to improve. Laguna Windrose 22 MK1 Sailboat I bought this little Laguna Windrose 22 sailboat on Craigslist last year and it has been setting in my RV Storage building. Now that it is springtime and I have time because of the Coronavirus pandemic I will start the restoration. She needs a new paint job, the swing keel repainted and remounted. The deck is dry rotted under the step plate so it needs to be cut out, replaced and re-glassed. Some brightwork is needed on the interior wood and the sliding kitchenette is missing altogether. Reconstruction of the sliding kitchenette will need to be done with a camping stove, cooler, and sink. I will also make a better folding table and give the V-birth a bulkhead divider for some privacy. She has all of her cushions and covers. I have a depth finder that I am going to install along with a 7.5 HP Outboard motor for her but she needs a motor mount for the aft of the ship. The ship needs two winches as the sailboat did not have any when I bought her. The trailer is in fairly good condition but I want to replace some wooden stanchions on it and give it a new paint job. Other than that I think she is good. I will write more on her progress in the coming weeks. Laguna Windrose 22 MK1 Sailboat Specifications The little boat is a day sailor designed by Shad Turner for the Laguna Yachts company in Stanton, CA from 1977 to 1987. Sailboat Specifications Hull Type: Swing Keel Rigging Type: Fractional Sloop LOA: 21.58 ft LWL: 19.00 ft Beam: 8.00 ft S.A.: 206.00 ft2 Draft: 1.40 ft to 5.50 ft Displacement: 1,980 lb Ballast: 600 lb Construction: Fiberglass Rig and Sail Specifications I: 24.00 ft P: 23.00 ft S.A. Fore: 105.00 ft2 S.A. Main: 100.63 ft2 S.A. Total: 205.63 ft2 S.A./Disp.: 20.91 Est. Forestay Len.: 25.55 ft Ships Captain The Dread Pirate Dave David is the Editor in Chief of Postcards From the Edge. 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Inducted into the US Sailing Hall of Fame, the Catalina 22 is one of the most popular trailer sailers in the world. (AHunt, CC) In its 10th anniversary issue in 1980, Sail magazine named the Catalina 22 the boat that had represented the breakthrough in trailer/cruisers in those 10 years. There is no denying the popularity of the Catalina 22 ... Balboa alias Windrose alias Laguna Water tankage: portable. B/D ratio: 30%. Approx. trailering wgt.: 2,800 lbs. The Balboa 22 was built by Laguna Yachts, the same company that built the Windrose 22 (page 213), also designed by Shad Turner. If you look closely you will see that both hulls have identical dimensions, though the decks are somewhat different. Laguna 22 The Laguna 22 is a 21.58ft fractional sloop designed by Shad Turner and built in fiberglass by Laguna Yachts between 1983 and 1987. The Laguna 22 is a light sailboat which is a good performer. It is stable / stiff and has a low righting capability if capsized. It is best suited as a day-boat. Laguna Windrose 22 And proud owner of a Windrose 22' sailboat. I noticed in your message you stated having a manual book for your boat.? I would happily pay you for a copy of that manual. I have a Balboa 22' and can't find any manual at all, but they say the Laguna/ Windrose/ and Balboa are the same boat. Thank you. Sincerely, FlyingEagle Windrose by Laguna Yachts, info? S. SailNet Archive. 87689 posts · Joined 1999. #3 · Jul 31, 2001. We have a Windrise 25'' we have owned for 4 years and it is a very nice boat. We have set ours up more like a cruiser than a daysailor. Because we spend three weeks every Fall Gunkholing around Puget Sound, for two people it is very comfortable. Norm. Laguna Windrose history 22 10.3 8.8 25 0 0 0 0 Rig Dimensions Diagramm I=22 J=8.8 P=25 E=10.3 Hope there is something of interest in all that. ... Later they used the "Balboa" name for their sailboat lines. Laguna bought out Coastal which I speculate was the end of your boats (Windrose) design line. Coastal Recreation, builder of the Balboa and Aquarius lines, was ... New Laguna Windrose 22 Owner in CT Join Date: Sep 2013. Location: Milford, CT. Boat: Laguna Windrose 22. Posts: 2. New Laguna Windrose 22 Owner in CT. Hello! I recently took on a 1977 Laguna Windrose 22 that needed much work to get seaworthy, but finally launched last month. Laguna Yachts went out of business in 1988 so finding replacement parts has been a challenge, but I have ... Laguna sailboats for sale by owner. 36' Islander Islander 36 Crescent Sail Yacht Club Grosse Pointe Farms, Michigan Asking $12,000 Laguna Windrose daysailer...Half is good. : r/sailing I miss the headroom and comfort of the big boat, the security of 32000 lbs. as well but "Half is good" does well at sea, feels solid and makes 6 knots in 12 knots of wind. Tender but I am off the dock in 10 minutes which means more sailing. My days of getting to Fiji via the wind may be over but this little boat keeps me salty and on the water. Laguna 30??? I believe they were, in fact, intended to give the C30 some competition (sales wise) but they didn't stay in production long enough. From a 1985 soft cover book "A Sailor's guide to Production Sailboats" compiled by Roger Marshall comes the following stats: SA/D 15.94 (a bit on the low perf side) D/L 229. Ballast ratio 30.97% (lightly ballasted) Windrose...a Boat by any other name would be......easy Yes, Laguna was the manufacturer and the Windrose 24' was made between 1974 and 1983. I've just have had a hard time finding a lot of information on them. I was hoping somebody here had discovered original sales manuals, etc. Missing a rudder, running gear and other odds and ends. Would be nice to find others with similar boats that were complete. Considering buying a boat. 1980 25'Laguna Windrose 1980 25' Laguna Windrose is a great day sailing boat for cruising with friends. It has a full sail and jib (both with a few sailtape repairs, but great condition overall), with a large deck. It also has a cabin that sleeps four with table, sinks and stove. Comes with a VERY well-running 6hp outboard Nissan motor The boat has a swing keel and ... Review of Windrose 22 Swing keel. The Windrose 22 is equipped with a swing keel. A swing keel is a pivoting lifting keel, allowing to sail both coastal and inland waters. The boat can enter even shallow marinas as the draft is just about 0.43 - 0.53 meter (1.41 - 1.71 ft) dependent on the load. See immersion rate below. Laguna Windrose 22 MK1 Sailboat The ship needs two winches as the sailboat did not have any when I bought her. The trailer is in fairly good condition but I want to replace some wooden stanchions on it and give it a new paint job. Other than that I think she is good. I will write more on her progress in the coming weeks. Laguna Windrose 22 MK1 Sailboat Specifications catamaran gulet motorboat powerboat riverboat sailboat trimaran yacht