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Losing Sleep - Sanibel 18 or Montgomery 17
I have been reading everything I can about these two trailerable pocket cruisers, and am distraught over which to buy. Sanibel 18 supposedly has better sleeping space... Montgomery has better self righting abilities and sails more stiffly, which would please my little ones. I love the looks of the Monty, but was wondering if there is a centerboard trunk that intrudes into the cabin? A 360 degree tour of the M17 would provide answers to my interior layout questions. The Sanibel, I understand, is open below, and will beach quite well, which is an important feature in the multiple places I sail, however, the Sanibel by comparison to the M17 is a little more tippy at least for the first few degrees, then stiff after that. The M17 draws 1'9" which would make it a litte more difficult to beach, but not impossible. If I had the money, I would buy a new Compac Eclipse 21, as I understand it is very simple to rig, and would provide my family of four with a little more room. Non-negotiables: a well equipped used trailerable sailboat that sleeps 2 adults/2 kids on occasion (even if I have to sleep in the cockpit) ... safe in the Gulf of Mexico, but could beach on a cute little island we have in lake Sam Rayburn, and sail in the Destin, Florida Bay, with jaunts into the Gulf of Mexico twice per year. Last non-negotiable: she must point like a dream, because I sail the Neches River which is narrow, and sometimes certain areas of Sam Rayburn are narrow to sail due to stumpy and mossy areas. AHHHH! Owners of the Sanibel18 love their boats. The Montgomery owners love their vessels as well. If I could see both in person it would help, but I am relegated to tracking down all the stats. I would love to see a size comparison of both Vberths, and quarter berths, and all the jazz... tired of losing sleep... AHHHH!
I can't help much with a choice but I had a Montgomery 17 for a short time and I really loved it. I might have to get another one some day. The Monty is a fun and stable little boat. Good luck with your choice.
Oooh, That's a tough decision, I love the design of both of these boats, they are designs I researched heavily as well before buying my O'day. I guess it comes down to if you value performance or space, the Sanibel has more space, the Montgomery performs better, but has a stub keel and can't be beached. The sanibel has a huge interior for it's size, and can be beached but is not as fast or weatherly as the M17. Both boats look like they have nice deep comfortable cockpits. I guess my advice would be, if you find a nice used example of either one for a good price, buy it. It's nice to know both are still in production and parts are available.
Congrats on your decision .... I'm sure you will be happy. I hope your two daughters enjoy the boat as much as my three daughters enjoy ours.
You will enjoy it!
Well, I have finally purchased a trailer sailing boat...after looking at many used boats, in various price ranges. I loved the Mongomery 17 after seeing a used one in person, but it was too small for my family of five (newborn son on Christmas Eve 2008!) to stay on board for a night or two. I found a boat that I have totally overlooked. My perfect world would have been a Compac 23 for trailering and stability, short jaunts into the Gulf, and lake sailing in beautiful southeast Texas. I set a ludicrous price range for myself, as both my wife and I are in graduate school. I ended up purchasing a Chrysler 22 Sandpiper edition sailboat, in immaculate condition, with Galvanized extendable trailer for $3000. The boat was designed by Halsey Herreshoff! She feels like a Compac on the water in terms of stability. there are 2 double berths below and one large and long single berth. The one double is a conversion from a booth style dining area. No standing headroom below, but V-berth is very spacious with lots of space above decks. The boat is solid, with 3000 lbs of displacement... 2000 lbs lead ballast, and 790lb swing keel. I have purchased the boat, and she is still on the water currently, awaiting an appointment for outfitting with bow and stern rails, and lifelines...I hope to get the net type of lifelines, to keep the little ones on board. Patience has yielded a very nice boat and a very affordable boat, one that we can outfit and upgrade and do some sailing in multiple waters. I will take her to the bay at Destin as soon as she is looking smart. I hope to add a bowsprit, and a wheel... I will post pictures as soon as I get her looking smartly. In the meanwhile you guys can see some other Chrysler 22's at Chrysler Sailing Association Website Perhaps it is really true...that there is a sailboat out there somewhere for everybody.
Steve, Congrats! I looked at some of the photos at the site you linked to. Looks like a good choice for your purposes. Neat boat! Looking forward to seeing some of your photos. - John
Thanks John... Can't wait to get her rigged up and deployed for family giggles. steven
Well friends, I have just returned from a somewhat successful sailing trip on my new to me Chrysler 22. The first day out presented learning curves. I had on the large genoa, and the wind came up a little too fresh for it, really hampering my ability to sail the boat. I had to be towed in to shore in humiliation, as my motor was getting repairs in the shop. I was just in a cove on a lake, so there was no danger. The next day, I had a nice family sail, but the wind died down upon return, leaving us on a very slow return to the shore. The following day, my wife and I had an absolutely perfect sail. The wind was in our favor in the cove of the lake and we ventured out into deeper "unprotected waters." We sailed home beautifully. That night I slept on the boat, and opened the forward hatch, which revealed the big dipper framed in absolute glory. The following day, storms threatened our sailing success, but I was able to do my first singlehanded solo sailing trip. We discovered that the boat likes a normal sized jib and she handled beautifully. I also learned that the boat must be treated with a firm hand when coming about, and correcting course must be anticipated, rather than responded to. This single-handed sailing was a huge accomplishment for me, as I was making my own decisions, and sailing to my heart's desire and content for an hour and half. Upon return, I nudged her swing keel against the shore as close as I could get it, and went up to a campsite for a break. A rain shower blew through, and just before sunset, a double rainbow was spotted just over my boat. The final day, today, there were 35 mph winds gusting from the northwest off the lake, and I was unable to get her back onto the trailer due to the ferocity of the wind related to where the boat ramp is. So, she is sitting snugly under two anchors until I can get her gently back on her trailer for another trip. Well, I wanted to write a report of my journeys and adventures, and share some pictures. I know I made mistakes. I know that I am still a sailing rookie, even though this is my third boat. But I am now a single handed sailor, at least for gunkholing. Enjoy the pics everyone. Steven Hays - Spring Break Sailing 09 Steven
Way to go ! What a great deal you got on that Chrysler, glad to hear your first sails (except the tow in, Ugggg ) went well. I'm looking forward to sailing myself but it's gonna be awhile, still have alot of snow coming down here in Montana ski country.
Well, hang in there. I have a friend who lives in Missoula, and this last bit they say is the hardest to wait through, and cabin fever starts to creep in... but you can enjoy laying out the ropes and such and preparing as much as you can! Can't wait to hear of your first sailing trip of the season! Fair winds and liquid seas, as opposed to frozen ones!
One last thought on this thread for people searching for affordable pocket cruising sailboats. In my research for affordable sailing, I have found some boats I didn't even know existed. The Holder/Vagabond 17, (early/mid eighties) is a great little sailboat, and an Oday 192 or 19, also mid eighties) are worth consideration. Here is a great video of a Holder 17 that has been restored. YouTube - HV17 Remix narrated.m4v The world out there for trailer sailors is so much broader than I ever thought it would be.
Another Chrysler 22 owner I also have a Chrysler 22 swing keel boat (1978), but I am in central TX on Lake Stillhouse-Hollow. These 22s are good boats but not real easy to trailer and rig. It does weigh 3,000 pounds! Mine stays in a marina slip and removed once a year for maintenance and cleanup. A fun boat with lots of cabin room. Carl Temple, TX
monty 17' vs. sanibel 18' I really like the Sanibel, but I'm glad I chose the Monty. I have sail-camped her extensively. She can't be beached, but I have anchored her just off-shore, bow-to, in water shallow enough to make the wade a cinch. I've never considered the draft of the stub-keel an obstacle, and I believe the keel/centerboard configuration to be safer than a centerboard/drop-keel.
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Montgomery 17
Montgomery 17 is a 17 ′ 1 ″ / 5.2 m monohull sailboat designed by Lyle C. Hess and built by Montgomery Marine Products starting in 1973.
- 1 / 1 Wisconsin, US 1976 Montgomery 17 $4,900 USD View
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Auxilary power, accomodations, calculations.
The theoretical maximum speed that a displacement hull can move efficiently through the water is determined by it's waterline length and displacement. It may be unable to reach this speed if the boat is underpowered or heavily loaded, though it may exceed this speed given enough power. Read more.
Classic hull speed formula:
Hull Speed = 1.34 x √LWL
Max Speed/Length ratio = 8.26 ÷ Displacement/Length ratio .311 Hull Speed = Max Speed/Length ratio x √LWL
Sail Area / Displacement Ratio
A measure of the power of the sails relative to the weight of the boat. The higher the number, the higher the performance, but the harder the boat will be to handle. This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more.
SA/D = SA ÷ (D ÷ 64) 2/3
- SA : Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay).
- D : Displacement in pounds.
Ballast / Displacement Ratio
A measure of the stability of a boat's hull that suggests how well a monohull will stand up to its sails. The ballast displacement ratio indicates how much of the weight of a boat is placed for maximum stability against capsizing and is an indicator of stiffness and resistance to capsize.
Ballast / Displacement * 100
Displacement / Length Ratio
A measure of the weight of the boat relative to it's length at the waterline. The higher a boat’s D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more.
D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³
- D: Displacement of the boat in pounds.
- LWL: Waterline length in feet
Comfort Ratio
This ratio assess how quickly and abruptly a boat’s hull reacts to waves in a significant seaway, these being the elements of a boat’s motion most likely to cause seasickness. Read more.
Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam 1.33 )
- D: Displacement of the boat in pounds
- LOA: Length overall in feet
- Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet
Capsize Screening Formula
This formula attempts to indicate whether a given boat might be too wide and light to readily right itself after being overturned in extreme conditions. Read more.
CSV = Beam ÷ ³√(D / 64)
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MONTGOMERY 17 Detailed Review
If you are a boat enthusiast looking to get more information on specs, built, make, etc. of different boats, then here is a complete review of MONTGOMERY 17. Built by Montgomery Marine Products and designed by Lyle C. Hess, the boat was first built in 1973. It has a hull type of Swing Keel and LOA is 5.21. Its sail area/displacement ratio 19.73. Its auxiliary power tank, manufactured by undefined, runs on undefined.
MONTGOMERY 17 has retained its value as a result of superior building, a solid reputation, and a devoted owner base. Read on to find out more about MONTGOMERY 17 and decide if it is a fit for your boating needs.
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MONTGOMERY 17 was designed by Lyle C. Hess.
Who builds MONTGOMERY 17?
MONTGOMERY 17 is built by Montgomery Marine Products.
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MONTGOMERY 17 was first built in 1973.
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MONTGOMERY 17 is 4.82 m in length.
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If you can , the boat will be usable but will likely take a resale hit.
Professional (if you can find the right person) may be expensive.
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I might buy it if you are thinking of junking it. | | | | | 20-06-2021, 12:21 | | Boat: Southwind 21 et al.
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That looks like fun pocket cruiser!
The crack almost looks like the drawing look/work?
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| slugs used for ballast get in them, rust and swell up. There is a local guy here in Havasu who repaired a couple of them by grinding open the keel, removing the and replacing it with lead. It was a big job! | | | | | 21-06-2021, 09:03 | | Boat: Catalina 30
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| grease on your part may put it right, if you like her. | | | | | 23-06-2021, 21:13 | | | | trailer but I never expected the keel to crack open like it did. Inside is steel shot...some rust but in pretty good shape. I have duct tape the openings to restrict any water intrusion. The swing keel was out of the boat when I bought it. I have since painted and sealed it. | | | | | 24-06-2021, 06:34 | | Boat: Southwind 21 et al.
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| and fiberglass cloth can fix almost anything. Big issue might be stopping the rust under the fiberglass - before repairing. If you're not making ocean passages in her, I'd slap her back together and sail her. Good luck however you go- | | | | | 24-06-2021, 10:43 | | Boat: Catalina & Maycraft
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Sail with Grace Montgomery 17Montgomery 17’s have cruised the Caribbean, sailed from California to Hawaii and from Cape Hatteras to San Diego via the Panama Canal, and sailed the length of the Mississippi. I, and many others have crossed the Sea of Cortez and have made countless trips to Catalina and the Channel Islands. The 17 is not a boat for everyone. It is, out of necessity, considerably more expensive than other boats in the size range, and there is a reason for this. The 17 is overbuilt, over-engineered, and one of Lyle Hess’s very best designs. It is surprisingly fast, surprisingly stiff, handles like a BMW, and is strong enough to be an icebreaker. The 17 is one of the driest sailboats made regardless of size. It is not a “floating house trailer”; the money is in fiberglass and hardware. When there is any question about the strength, quality, or suitability of any part, we go to something larger or better. The interior is clean, efficient, needs zero maintenance, and has an abundance of organized and accessible storage, but is not fancy. In short, the Montgomery 17 is made for the critical and demanding sailor. The 17 is a true keel/centerboarder; the ballast is in the keel and the centerboard is primarily for upwind performance, but is weighted so that it will stay down reliably. Montgomery Website  New boat: Sage 17 Also in Launchings- New Boat: Diam 24 One Design
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It takes into consideration "reported" sail area, displacement and length at waterline. The higher the number the faster speed prediction for the boat. A cat with a number 0.6 is likely to sail 6kts in 10kts wind, a cat with a number of 0.7 is likely to sail at 7kts in 10kts wind. KSP = (Lwl*SA÷D)^0.5*0.5
A 360 degree tour of the M17 would provide answers to my interior layout questions. The Sanibel, I understand, is open below, and will beach quite well, which is an important feature in the multiple places I sail, however, the Sanibel by comparison to the M17 is a little more tippy at least for the first few degrees, then stiff after that.
The Montgomery 17 was designed by Lyle Hess, a well-known and highly respected designer of blue-water cruising boats, as an able coastal cruiser; small enough to be easily trailered but capable of moderate offshore passages. The first 17s were made as fixed keel boats, with a 525 lb. cast iron, bolt-on keel, and we took the first two to the ...
Here is a tour of the boat I have been sailing since 2006. It's a fantastic boat that is stable, quick, roomy, solid and well made. I've had a lot of fun...
The Montgomery 17 is a great little ocean capable sailboat. About 10 years ago we were in Pacific Canada and met a fellow cruising in a Montgomery 17. He had a 40 footer in Southern California, but towed his Montgomery 17 up to Nanimo and set sail for a month or so cruise (single handed).
The Montgomery 17 is a recreational keelboat, built predominantly of fiberglass, with wood trim.It has a masthead sloop rig, a nearly-plumb stem, a vertical transom, a transom-hung rudder controlled by a tiller.A few early boats had a fixed keel or a swing keel, while the standard production boats featured a shoal keel and centerboard combination.. Early cast iron fixed keel boats were ...
A History Of The Montgomery 17 ... Soon after the shows, we finished the tooling for the still-current keel/CB version. I believe that the M-17 was the first production boat to use end-grain balsa coring in the deck. ... Other changes have been in the interior. Originally the 17 had a "three berth" interior; a double berth forward and a quarter ...
The Montgomery M-17 : History of the M-17 By Jerry Montgomery M-17 Brochure (PDF Download from the MSOG Photo Site) M-17 Sail Measurements Sailplan for M-17 Roller-Furler Centerboard Rudder Interior (Port Galley Model) 2001 Model with bronze port option. (Richard Conn's Beatrice, ' 01 #613. Click for larger image ...
Montgomery 17 is a 17′ 1″ / 5.2 m monohull sailboat designed by Lyle C. Hess and built by Montgomery Marine Products starting in 1973. ... The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more. Formula. D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³ D: Displacement of the boat in pounds ...
If you are a boat enthusiast looking to get more information on specs, built, make, etc. of different boats, then here is a complete review of MONTGOMERY 17. Built by Montgomery Marine Products and designed by Lyle C. Hess, the boat was first built in 1973. It has a hull type of Swing Keel and LOA is 5.21. Its sail area/displacement ratio 19.73.
A Montgomery 17 sailed the length of the Mississippi, from St. Paul, Minnesota, to the Gulf of Mexico, and was possibly the first sailboat to have done so. Properly outfitted and prepared, she is a very capable boat. Her beamy lapstrake hull is tremendously strong and her modern underbody, with low wetted area, fine entry, and displacement well ...
Sailing A Montgomery 17' or Trying! The first part is brief, sailing on Topaz Lake, NV. 2nd part is at Black Butte Lake, CA and shows me time lapse doing the...
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Rebuilding interior port wall. Boat Name: Pinch Me Boat Type: Montgomery 23 Date Modified: 04/18/2018. M17 Top Down Furling Asymmetrical Spinnaker with removeable Bowsprit. ... Boat Type: Montgomery 17 Date Modified: 11/27/2016. Remounting and Adding Mast and Boom Hardware. Boat Name: Spindrift Boat Type: Montgomery 17 Date Modified: 11/26/2016.
2014 Montgomery 17 - Hull 680 - Mast, rigging, dimensions, weights, equipment. Version 11/11/2016 Measurements are from bottom of the mast tube and / or pin centers, etc. (Note, some arrowheads and lines are drawn slightly off center due to computer grids.) Mast and fittings from: https://www.dwyermast.com DM- 6 section.
Boat: Seaward 25. Posts: 294. Re: Montgomery 17 keel problem. It is a known issue with the Montgomerys. Steel slugs used for ballast get water in them, rust and swell up. There is a local guy here in Havasu who repaired a couple of them by grinding open the keel, removing the steel and replacing it with lead.
2005. 17'. 7.33'. 1.75'. Virginia. $13,500. Description: This boat has been well cared for, is extremely dry inside, well built, good performance and provided with all safety equipment. The builder states the "Montgomery 17's have cruised the Caribbean, sailed from California to Hawaii and from Cape Hatteras to San Diego via the Panama Canal ...
The 17 is not a boat for everyone. It is, out of necessity, considerably more expensive than other boats in the size range, and there is a reason for this. The 17 is overbuilt, over-engineered, and one of Lyle Hess's very best designs. It is surprisingly fast, surprisingly stiff, handles like a BMW, and is strong enough to be an icebreaker.
That may change with the Sage 17, an innovative, 16-foot, 10-inch pocket cruiser designed by Jerry Montgomery and built in Golden by Sage Marine. Montgomery designed stability into the 17 by fastening a carbon fiber deck on the composite hull to lighten the boat above the waterline. A substantial 400-pound keel and 120-pound centerboard keep ...
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